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and i think it's fair to say the law isn't completely clear on this. let's us be clear on what we're talking about here. we're talking about the miranda warning. you have a right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer, all that stuff. what the united states government has decided to do is invoke an exception to that rule. which says that when there is a danger to public safety and you need to get answers quickly, you can get the answers without the miranda rights and still use that information in court. so when does the clock tick on that period of the public safety exception? the moment you make an arrest, the moment you begin an interrogation, what? i mean, i think the justice department will take the position that it begins the moment they begin talking to him. but i suppose his lawyers can certainly say that the time had elapsed so much since his arrest that it's hard to assert that exception. my guess is that there's no clear rule here in the federal government. this is kind of a legal rule that'
and i think it's fair to say the law isn't completely clear on this. let's us be clear on what we're talking about here. we're talking about the miranda warning. you have a right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer, all that stuff. what the united states government has decided to do is invoke an exception to that rule. which says that when there is a danger to public safety and you need to get answers quickly, you can get the answers...
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enforcement task forces throughout the country, state law enforcement and local law enforcement. the question becomes, how can we strengthen these relationships beyond just a relationship that's taken place historically. >> really quick here, 30 seconds, because there is a great deal of ignorance in this country when it comes to the islamic faith. for folks who don't understand the difference between islam and radical islam, give us the 101 here? >> well, islam represents peace, will be islam condemns killing people. you know, we often hear the words "jihad," but the jihad reference largely references an internal wrestling with good and evil, within one's self. not what we're seeing and not some of the crazies that are purporting to represent the faith. no different than having the ku klux klan claiming to represent christianity. >> appreciate your time, sir. >> an honor, sir. >>> as the people in boston mourn the dead and tend to the wou wou wounded, they are also starting the process of moving on. i'll talk about what they're doing now, how they're going to go about doing that.
enforcement task forces throughout the country, state law enforcement and local law enforcement. the question becomes, how can we strengthen these relationships beyond just a relationship that's taken place historically. >> really quick here, 30 seconds, because there is a great deal of ignorance in this country when it comes to the islamic faith. for folks who don't understand the difference between islam and radical islam, give us the 101 here? >> well, islam represents peace,...
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many americans thinking it's already the law. what is the disconnect in our democracy that allows this? >> it's not even the will. let's remember, it's the safety of the american public. i mean, we can demonstrate how this will save lives. right now n now on arms list.com, there's 73,000 guns available for sale. 94% of them are under this geist of private sales so they don't require background checks. every day it goes on, lives hang in the balance. it really is just that. it's not any deeper. there's a pure disconnect between what the american public wants. there are things to take heart in and inspiration from. several months ago, there would have been a filibuster on this. but these guys knew when the newtown families visited, when americans started calling their congress people, they knew that they were being watched and they knew they at least had to have the conversation. there was a bipartisan agreement with two a-rated nra senators. six voted in favor of this. the original brady bill pertaining to 60% of gun sales, it too
many americans thinking it's already the law. what is the disconnect in our democracy that allows this? >> it's not even the will. let's remember, it's the safety of the american public. i mean, we can demonstrate how this will save lives. right now n now on arms list.com, there's 73,000 guns available for sale. 94% of them are under this geist of private sales so they don't require background checks. every day it goes on, lives hang in the balance. it really is just that. it's not any...
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and other law enforcement sourcing. i don't know that we can definitively say right now that he wasn't on a list or was not being monitored. this is still a very fluid situation that's developing. we're doing the best job we can reporting. i know other outlets are. i think it's really important to in some ways let this play out, and especially now that the younger brother is in custody. there is not an active threat anymore. we don't have all the answers yet. here at the globe and other news outlets, we're going to try to get the answers. >> all right. thank you so much for joining us. >> of course. thanks for having me. >> thank you. up next on "the five," the latest on the victims, four are dead, over 170 injured and one police officer is fighting for his life. an update on them when we come back @@ >>> so we want to update you now on the only people that matter, the survivors of the boston terrorist attack, as well as the latest on the funeral plans for the four victims. eight-year-old martin richard, 29-year-old c
and other law enforcement sourcing. i don't know that we can definitively say right now that he wasn't on a list or was not being monitored. this is still a very fluid situation that's developing. we're doing the best job we can reporting. i know other outlets are. i think it's really important to in some ways let this play out, and especially now that the younger brother is in custody. there is not an active threat anymore. we don't have all the answers yet. here at the globe and other news...
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he just wanted to be in law enforcement. it was not about the pay or the benefits or the retirement, but it was about law enforcement is supposed to be all about and to help people. and he was a master at helping people. i think that m.i.t. lost someone that truly cared about them. i think that we lost someone who we learned more from him, than with he ever learned from us. >> reporter: at 26 years old. that says a lot. >> yes, and you know, i have been a cop for almost 40 years and i was with the state police and with m.i.t. for 11 and you see a lot. you really do, anever saw anything like this. it just, everything about it is just wrong. the killing of him was so senseless. the loss of a person of his quality and his age, and the fact that it happened on a college campus, and everything about this was wrong. nothing fits. just crazy. >> and don, tonight, also, we talked to three m.i.t. students who are also emts and they were close friends of collier and they came with flowers and messages for his family, and interestingly
he just wanted to be in law enforcement. it was not about the pay or the benefits or the retirement, but it was about law enforcement is supposed to be all about and to help people. and he was a master at helping people. i think that m.i.t. lost someone that truly cared about them. i think that we lost someone who we learned more from him, than with he ever learned from us. >> reporter: at 26 years old. that says a lot. >> yes, and you know, i have been a cop for almost 40 years and...
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it resulted in last wednesday being signed into law in arkansas by the governor,andy's law that provides for enhanced civil penaltyings for a terrorist act. 117 legislators voted for it and one did not and she said she pressed the wrong button and it is near unanimous what it. >> daruous i can tell you from having been there if you get that many votes on anything it is incredible. how did it make you feel getting the law pass named after your son. >> the fact that it was named after him said a lot. i am grateful to the arkansas legislature, but it is just a beginning. the state knows what it was, but our federal government doesn't. i watching the night before last, tyrone woods father was on one of the shopes and he said i am waiting for an answer, 7 months later, the ft. hood people are waiting three and half years later and i am still waiting for answers four years later issue. the president spoke in his speech about the victims have a right for answers. well, i would like mine. >> you know, i think your story is one of those that is so amazing. because there was a time in the f.b.i. a
it resulted in last wednesday being signed into law in arkansas by the governor,andy's law that provides for enhanced civil penaltyings for a terrorist act. 117 legislators voted for it and one did not and she said she pressed the wrong button and it is near unanimous what it. >> daruous i can tell you from having been there if you get that many votes on anything it is incredible. how did it make you feel getting the law pass named after your son. >> the fact that it was named after...
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it resulted in last wednesday being signed into law in arkansas by the governor,andy's law that provides for enhanced civil penaltyings for a terrorist act. 117 legislators voted for it and one did not and she said she pressed the wrong button and it is near unanimous what it. >> daruous i can tell you from having been there if you get that many votes on anything it is incredible. how did it make you feel getting the law pass named after your son. >> the fact that it was named after him said a lot. i am grateful to the arkansas legislature, but it is just a beginning. the state knows what it was, but our federal government doesn't. i watching the night before last, tyrone woods father was on one of the shopes and he said i am waiting for an answer, 7 months later, the ft. hood people are waiting three and half years later and i am still waiting for answers four years later issue. the president spoke in his speech about the victims have a right for answers. well, i would like mine. >> you know, i think your story is one of those that is so amazing. because there was a time in the f.b.i. a
it resulted in last wednesday being signed into law in arkansas by the governor,andy's law that provides for enhanced civil penaltyings for a terrorist act. 117 legislators voted for it and one did not and she said she pressed the wrong button and it is near unanimous what it. >> daruous i can tell you from having been there if you get that many votes on anything it is incredible. how did it make you feel getting the law pass named after your son. >> the fact that it was named after...
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and of course now following the days after the bombings at the finishing line of the boston marathon law enforcement yet again tried to establish any possible links the brothers might have had with extremist groups after monday's bombings late on thursday afternoon the f.b.i. finally released photos of the two suspects the ended up coming out of their. fighting killing an mit officer hijacking a car releasing the person to whom that car belonged and got in a car chase with police the police officers said that the two brothers were throwing explosive devices out of their car and shooting over a dozen police officers were wounded as a result eventually the older brother twenty six year old to milan got out of the car to continue the shootout with the police officers the younger brother stayed in the car ended up running over his older brother getting a win the car which he eventually abandoned and was able to get away on foot in the meantime police officers captured to marilyn and took him to this hospital in boston suffering multiple injuries this is where he died shortly after one thirty
and of course now following the days after the bombings at the finishing line of the boston marathon law enforcement yet again tried to establish any possible links the brothers might have had with extremist groups after monday's bombings late on thursday afternoon the f.b.i. finally released photos of the two suspects the ended up coming out of their. fighting killing an mit officer hijacking a car releasing the person to whom that car belonged and got in a car chase with police the police...
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. >> all the law enforcement professionals are hoping for a host of reasons that the suspect survives because we have many questions. those questions need to be answered. >> in this photograph taken right after his arrest, the college student's neck area appears covered with blood. the younger brother'ses cape was busted when a man found him hiding in his backyard boat. thermal images shows a white image of an object projecting heat. in another still photo you can make out the suspect's feet in black lying in the boat. a robotic arm moves in and lifts the tarp. . the police chief tells wolf blitzer about those moments. >> we began negotiations that way. over a long period of time, we were able to finally get him to surrender. >> agents yell at him to give himself up. police say there was an exchange of gunfire. authorities said his injuries came during thursday night's shootout when his brother was killed. agents spent the day combing over every inch of the boat collecting blood, hair and more to build a case against the suspected boston marathon bomber. and today prosecutors are cont
. >> all the law enforcement professionals are hoping for a host of reasons that the suspect survives because we have many questions. those questions need to be answered. >> in this photograph taken right after his arrest, the college student's neck area appears covered with blood. the younger brother'ses cape was busted when a man found him hiding in his backyard boat. thermal images shows a white image of an object projecting heat. in another still photo you can make out the...
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of course, that doesn't help an ngo if it runs afoul of laws on foreign money. i think the main thing would be what does the organization itself want? the democracy and human rights activist in egypt was company on this a year or two back and said, ask of the organization. it's probably the best judge of its own risks and what it needs. so that's all i can suggest on that. >> i'm with the investigative project on terrorism to our organization tracks domestic islamists that are filled with the rugged such as the council -- islamic society of north america and we've been able to see if there's been a close correlation between these groups and lobbying the obama administration. it come out and support the brotherhood in egypt and elsewhere in the middle east. do you think that they are having an impact on how the administration deals with indigenous christians in the muslim world? >> quick canvass. we would have no idea on, you know, what are the dynamics, just observe the phenomenon, the current administration, with the bush administration as far as are doing with
of course, that doesn't help an ngo if it runs afoul of laws on foreign money. i think the main thing would be what does the organization itself want? the democracy and human rights activist in egypt was company on this a year or two back and said, ask of the organization. it's probably the best judge of its own risks and what it needs. so that's all i can suggest on that. >> i'm with the investigative project on terrorism to our organization tracks domestic islamists that are filled with...
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with so many law enforcement agencies on this. the shootout in watertown. >> reporter: right. >> judge jeanine: dhokhar is bleeding and one block behind the perimeter. wouldn't there be a trail to his location whether he is one block beyond or not? >> there was some what of a trail to his location and that is how he was spotted. the homeowner came out to smoke a cigarette and notice that there was a door to the shed open and there was bloody clothes and blood stains going into the boat where the shrink wrap over the top of the boat was disturbed. the individual picked up the shrink wrap and saw him and backed off and called 911. why there wasn't a larger or longer blood trail i can't answer that. >> judge jeanine: thank goodness for the thermal sensorring from the helicopters as well as a very alert woman who notice or the man who noticed that there was some blood around the boat. mike tobin, thanks so much. and now to catherine herridge, fox news chief intelligence correspondent. catherine, what do we know about the suspect's ter
with so many law enforcement agencies on this. the shootout in watertown. >> reporter: right. >> judge jeanine: dhokhar is bleeding and one block behind the perimeter. wouldn't there be a trail to his location whether he is one block beyond or not? >> there was some what of a trail to his location and that is how he was spotted. the homeowner came out to smoke a cigarette and notice that there was a door to the shed open and there was bloody clothes and blood stains going into...
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as a law enforcement tool. i worried all along that americans would start to say as a result of events like this that they are real americans and other americans. that kind of mentality, if we ever get it, will accelerate cases of radicalization. kids are going to say, i took the oath, but i'm still not accepted. >> to what extent is one of the dangers here? one can overread too much these maybe two cases of a bad situation. to what extent might the assimilation might have broken down or not functioning as well as it it used to. we prided ourselves on that in europe minority communities were excluded or marginalized but not in the united states. but does this story tell us that maybe we should be paying attention to that. >> compared to what? the assimilation model in the united states works great compared to france or germany or great britain. if you look back in history, the irish, the jews, all kinds of communities who came to the country faced similar kinds of problems. and by the way, each of them had mome
as a law enforcement tool. i worried all along that americans would start to say as a result of events like this that they are real americans and other americans. that kind of mentality, if we ever get it, will accelerate cases of radicalization. kids are going to say, i took the oath, but i'm still not accepted. >> to what extent is one of the dangers here? one can overread too much these maybe two cases of a bad situation. to what extent might the assimilation might have broken down or...
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the front end has to be law enforcement going to talk to people. in community centers, making people understand that the security services they see here are not like the security services they saw at home. the second, and this may sound radical, i would be considering calling the mother of those terrorists. there's four grieving parents in boston who lost children. there's a fifth in chechnya. i'm not saying this because it represents a velvet glove. it's a steel fist. to tell anybody who wants to do this, we're going to bring everybody into the tent, including the mother who lost one kid and might lose another, who were terrorists, and we're going to tell them we all grieve together as a family. >> jessica, what would you ask this young man? what would be the first question you'd ask? >> of course, i'd want to know all about how he was radicalized. i'd want to know all about his life story. but to me what's very important is to make sure that his story gets out there because i think kids sometimes romanticize the life. and if we can get former m m
the front end has to be law enforcement going to talk to people. in community centers, making people understand that the security services they see here are not like the security services they saw at home. the second, and this may sound radical, i would be considering calling the mother of those terrorists. there's four grieving parents in boston who lost children. there's a fifth in chechnya. i'm not saying this because it represents a velvet glove. it's a steel fist. to tell anybody who wants...
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they want tsarnaev treated as an enemy combatant under the laws of war. lester? >> michael isakoff, thank you. for more on the government's attempts to find out what motivated these suspects, we're joined by nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell. in our washington bureau, andrea? >> good evening, lester. intelligence officials, the fbi, a global search for what motivated tamerlan tsarnaev's terrorism. was it chechnyan nationalism, at the white house today, the president met again in the situation room with his national security advisers. he was briefed by the fbi director and top counterterrorism officials and others for 0 minutes. an official tells us afterwards that so far, there is no evidence of foreign involvement, but they're looking. they also say they are getting good cooperation now from russia, with whom as you know the u.s. has had very rocky relations over the last few years. russia's president vladimir putin spoke with president obama last night and the two leaders are discussing the importance of working more closely together on
they want tsarnaev treated as an enemy combatant under the laws of war. lester? >> michael isakoff, thank you. for more on the government's attempts to find out what motivated these suspects, we're joined by nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell. in our washington bureau, andrea? >> good evening, lester. intelligence officials, the fbi, a global search for what motivated tamerlan tsarnaev's terrorism. was it chechnyan nationalism, at the white house today, the...
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with so many law enforcement agencies on this. the shootout in watertown. >> reporter: right. >> judge jeanine: dhokhar is bleeding and one block behind the perimeter. wouldn't there be a trail to his location whether he is one block beyond or not? >> there was some what of a trail to his location and that is how he was spotted. the homeowner came out to smoke a cigarette and notice that there was a door to the shed open and there was bloody clothes and blood stains going into the boat where the shrink wrap over the top of the boat was disturbed. the individual picked up the shrink wrap and saw him and backed off and called 911. why there wasn't a larger or longer blood trail i can't answer that. >> judge jeanine: thank goodness for the thermal sensorring from the helicopters as well as a very alert woman who notice or the man who noticed thae blood around the boat. mike tobin, thanks so much. and now to catherine herridge, fox news chief intelligence correspondent. catherine, what do we know about the suspect's terror connection?
with so many law enforcement agencies on this. the shootout in watertown. >> reporter: right. >> judge jeanine: dhokhar is bleeding and one block behind the perimeter. wouldn't there be a trail to his location whether he is one block beyond or not? >> there was some what of a trail to his location and that is how he was spotted. the homeowner came out to smoke a cigarette and notice that there was a door to the shed open and there was bloody clothes and blood stains going into...
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so we need a law several levels of help to come and help. >> reporter: those seriously injured have been air-lifted to the provincial capital. the military has distributed tons of food, medicines and hundreds of tents - but the earthquake has left thousands homeless. >> residents are huddling outdoors in a town near the epicenter of a powerful earthquake that struck the steep hills of china's southwestern sichuan province. saturday morning's earthquake injured more than 6,700 people and left at least 160 people dead. and more are feared dead. the six-point-six quake triggered landslides and disrupted phone and power connections. one village was also hit hard, with authorities saying nearly all the buildings there had been destroyed in a the minute- long shaking by the quake. the earthquake administration said there had been at least 712 aftershocks, including two of magnitude-5.0 or higher. >> officials say that the area impacted by the fertilizer plant explosion in west texas is safe. city council member steve vanek says that the first wave of residents should be allowed to move back in
so we need a law several levels of help to come and help. >> reporter: those seriously injured have been air-lifted to the provincial capital. the military has distributed tons of food, medicines and hundreds of tents - but the earthquake has left thousands homeless. >> residents are huddling outdoors in a town near the epicenter of a powerful earthquake that struck the steep hills of china's southwestern sichuan province. saturday morning's earthquake injured more than 6,700 people...
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but it's very murky, with regard to the case law. the longest time that a case has ruled in this is 50 minutes from the time of the arrest, for purposes of questioning someone. he can't speak. they are going to say he can't speak yet, which is why we haven't started the 48-hour period. the goal is to get as much information as possible, i don't think they need what he says for his trial. they need it for intelligence -- >> jamie: evidence. >> one of the limits of the public safety exception is that they can't ask questions that are not related to the imminent danger. >> jamie: they have limited themselves with this route. can they still mirandize him? >> they can. >> jamie: then what? >> then, obviously, he has right to invoke if he wants an attorney or if he wants to remain silent that. hasn't happened yet. >> jamie: i would never second-guess law enforcement. we don't know if he was in a condition to ask any question, bob, would there have been a down side to mirandize him at that point? >> no. what's the worse he says, i don't wan
but it's very murky, with regard to the case law. the longest time that a case has ruled in this is 50 minutes from the time of the arrest, for purposes of questioning someone. he can't speak. they are going to say he can't speak yet, which is why we haven't started the 48-hour period. the goal is to get as much information as possible, i don't think they need what he says for his trial. they need it for intelligence -- >> jamie: evidence. >> one of the limits of the public safety...
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-- but hopes the young man will soon be able to answer the question of why >> i and i think all the law enforcement professionals are hoping for a host of reasons that the suspect survives because we have a million questions. those questions need to be answered. a justice dept source says dzhokar will will face federal terrorism charges and may also face state murder charges -- adding that he could be charged before he leaves the hospital. in boston i'm stacey cohan reporting. >> federal agents confirm that the f-b-i interviewed the older brother, tamerlan tsarnaev in 2011, after being tipped off by a foreign government. the suspect identified himself as ethnic chechen from southern russia and officials there believed tamerlan was going to travel to the country's region to join unspecified underground groups. the fbi says it interviewed tsarnaev and relatives, and did not find any domestic or foreign terrorism activity. meanwhile, tsarnaev's uncle says he had a falling-out with the 26-year-old over his increased commitment to islam. boston cardinal sean o'malley is dedicating mass today
-- but hopes the young man will soon be able to answer the question of why >> i and i think all the law enforcement professionals are hoping for a host of reasons that the suspect survives because we have a million questions. those questions need to be answered. a justice dept source says dzhokar will will face federal terrorism charges and may also face state murder charges -- adding that he could be charged before he leaves the hospital. in boston i'm stacey cohan reporting. >>...
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he can hold him under the same laws as those in guantanamo bay. is this the administration's way to walk middle ground. chris, thanks for talking to us. tell us what you know about the idea behind this, why did the obama administration decide to take this tact. >> chris: it is a tact they took ever since the underwear bomber. it's called the public safety exception. if there is a live investigation and possibility of a continued threat to public safety, prosecutors are able to talk to a criminal in this case a suspected terrorist about a possible, are there more bombs out there? are there other co-conspirer tos but it's limited in time and scope. once they try to get into a deeper interrogation, at that point as a criminal as opposed to be an enemy combatant and they are treating him as a criminal they have to ride his miranda rights. there are a lot of people think, treat this guy as an enemy combatant. ask him questions and they are allowed to do that as long as they don't use anything he says against him. that raises the question, do you really
he can hold him under the same laws as those in guantanamo bay. is this the administration's way to walk middle ground. chris, thanks for talking to us. tell us what you know about the idea behind this, why did the obama administration decide to take this tact. >> chris: it is a tact they took ever since the underwear bomber. it's called the public safety exception. if there is a live investigation and possibility of a continued threat to public safety, prosecutors are able to talk to a...
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now with medical marijuana laws. so we brought together these three great authors who have really delved deeply into the culture and science and economics of marijuana. and we're going to talk about how this sea change might play out as we move towards, presumably move towards legalization and how they think it should play out. so, first, i do need to read some announcements. please silence all cell phones. there's a signing area for their books following the session. book signing for this panel is located at signing area one. personal recordings of this session is is allowed, and -- is not allowed, and mark wanted me to announce at 4:20 there'll be a special gift you should your seats -- under your seats. [laughter] >> just inhale deeply at 4:20. i'll give you a sign. >> okay. in the middle we have beau kilmer, co-director of the rand drug policy research center who has written extensively on marijuana policy. most recently, he co-authored marijuana legalization, what everyone needs to know, which was published by o
now with medical marijuana laws. so we brought together these three great authors who have really delved deeply into the culture and science and economics of marijuana. and we're going to talk about how this sea change might play out as we move towards, presumably move towards legalization and how they think it should play out. so, first, i do need to read some announcements. please silence all cell phones. there's a signing area for their books following the session. book signing for this...